Yep, I have lost weight eating more food then usual, just more healthier foods...
Have pretty much got it down to a fine art now for my body :)...
I could eat a whole days worth of junk food and still lose weight by maintaining 6 days of strict healthy eating.
There are plenty of ways to do it, the right way is the one that works for you...
bedazzledjewels,
Mar 10, 3:57pm
I don't accept the calories out - calories in hypothesis. Have seen many people eat fewer calories than they expend and still put on weight.
elliehen,
Mar 10, 4:03pm
What is an 'ionclast' study?Google seems to suggest 'anti-static' but this doesn't make sense.
Anyone??
ant_sonja,
Mar 10, 4:21pm
maybe meant to read:iconoclast ( ) n. One who attacks and seeks to overthrow traditional or popular ideas or institutions.
...but I could be wrong :-)
buzzy110,
Mar 10, 4:22pm
Thank you for pointing out my error elli. I really appreciate that. I'll reword my sentence:
The sentence with the offending word - "While there may be plenty of general studies carried out involving interviewing people, these studies cannot be classed as ionclast and can only be taken as a guide."
The corrected sentence - While there may be plenty of studies carried out involving interviewing people, these studies cannot be taken as scientific proof of anything in particular, especially as they will probably lack a control group and a group that does the opposite - in other words the accepted double blind study using rigourous and verifiable doses of food. The best that can be achieved is a 'maybe' conclusion.
knowsley,
Mar 10, 4:30pm
Anecdotal evidence is so much more believable than science, isn't it! Did you weigh all their food intake over a period of time and calculate their calorie intake, and then by what means did youaccurately measure their calorific output! Or did you just take a guess at all this and decide that was more accurate than countless scientific studies!
ant_sonja,
Mar 10, 4:44pm
I have always eaten what I like, when I like and in moderation. Never been on a 'diet' or tried to loose weight on purpose nor do I 'exercise' (boring!!) - but lead a pretty active life. I have always been pretty much spot on in regards to my weight/height ratio. In saying this, I have always favored natural foods over those processed - I can't live without fresh veggies/Salads daily and actually crave these types of foods whereas most people I know crave things from the opposite spectrum such as sweets/McD's or other junk type stuff. I do eat these things on occasion but can take them or leave them really. I don't watch my calorie or fat intake and freely use butter/cream in my cooking and full fat milk (whole un-pasturised when I can get it) to drink every day. I have never felt the need to buy low fat/low sugar/'diet' type foods and actually think the whole thing about them being healthier is utter bull. How can something more processed be better for us than something natural? I don't have a very sweet tooth but have 2 sugars (raw) in my coffee and I drink about 2 or 3 cups a day. I don't bake much but if I do, I also don't worry about the sugar content or anything else but simply enjoy it for what it is :-) I have lost about 10kg over the last year - only difference in my eating has been an increase in red meat consumption as well as eggs (thanks to our wonderful chooks :-)) and less carbs as I haven't felt like eating them as much. Oh and a healthy diet in my opinion includes a glass or two of red wine in the evenings as it relieves stress and stress is bad ;-) Anyhow - I think all things in moderation and the closer to nature the better.
elliehen,
Mar 10, 5:20pm
Well, thanks for your thanks, but I wasn't pointing out one of your errors - I was interested in learning a new word, 'ionclast'.It didn't 'offend' me; it intrigued me.
Pointing out your linguistic errors doesn't appeal to me.I can see that I'd have a lot of work to do for you, but you'd have to employ me, pay me well for my skills as a editorial assistant and I've got far too much work already.
elliehen,
Mar 10, 5:23pm
That could describe buzzy110 (Food Lies/Doctors' & Nutritionists' Lies thread etc) but that fits buzzy110, not the 'study' in the context of her sentence.
knowsley,
Mar 10, 5:28pm
I doubt you have ever looked at scientific studies. There have been many made in controlled environments, using double blind methods. Of course if you are reading the likes of Taubes then you will never hear about these as he carefully cherry picks studies that agree with his flawed ideas, and ignores the newer studies that debunk him.
maysept,
Mar 10, 7:14pm
Use common sense and find what works for you- you don't need psuedo-scientific fads like low carb, special foods, meal replacements, fake vitamins, supplements or special equipment. You know what healthy food is, we all do, and you don't need some diet book or plan to tell you. Fresh food with as few additives (including sugar and salt) as possible. Drink water. Move around as much as possible. Do deliberate exercise, at least 30 minutes a day. If you have a dog walk him every day as long and as fast as possible, if you love tv, bike while you watch. If you can make small changes that fit into your lifestyle,(and that of your family) you'll keep doing them. The biggest factor in weight loss is simply making the right choices over and over again.
buzzy110,
Mar 10, 7:53pm
A choice between people following a rigourous scientifically prescribed diet or people doing what people do. Mmmm. I wonder which one people will follow! My money is on the diet that people find suits them best and that probably isn't a diet that researchers prescribe for their study 'animals'.
Actually knowsley there has really only been three studies following a group of people for an extended period of time where all the food was weighed and precisely calibrated and even then there were anomaliesThere has also been a couple of a much shorter duration. The object of these research trials was to discover whether a low fat diet was good for heart health.
It is impossible to follow people in the real world. No one will ever tell the exact truth about what they eat over every day for any period of time. Therefore all your scientific studies about weight loss, etc, are little more than anecdotal.
wildflower,
Mar 10, 9:07pm
My dr thinks everyone is overweight who isn't built like him.Never mind he obviously had some good genes to start with and I'm 5 foot nothing.
knowsley,
Mar 11, 12:11am
Once again you're wrong on this. Certainly no surprise there. Plenty of metabolic ward studies, but I guess those aren't mentioned in your "books".
macandrosie,
Mar 11, 12:25am
Have you heard of the new book out called "Accidentaly Overweight"!by Dr. Libby Webster. Very interesting. I have managed to lose weight thru Weight Watchers, but it always creeps back on. And with the whole menopause thing it's an uphill battle!
macandrosie,
Mar 11, 12:33am
You know even a half to one hour walk with a friend in the evning 3-4 times a week can make a difference. I also found that as I lost weight & slowly increased my exercises I gained more energy which in turn allows you to push yourself a little harder.It's a great feeling to have more energy when your'e eating healthy. I try & stay away from processed foods, grow alot of veges, yes & watch portion size. In my expereinec sometimes what we think are hunger pangs is dehydration, so what I ahve tried to do is when I feel hungry, drink a glass of water first & wait 10 mins or so before eating. Anyway read the BOOK- Accidentally Overweight. Even drinking water with our meals is a big NO NO because we dilute the acids in our stomachs which break down food for digestion! No wonder we feel stomach aches & discomfort!
buzzy110,
Mar 11, 3:40pm
Unless you have a captive group of people to study, there is no way any research on ordinary, everyday people, with free will can ever be accurate or considered a valid study when it comes to diet. Every day people make food choices that may, or may not, fit within the parameters of the foods that researchers wish their subjects to eat.
While there may be plenty of general studies carried out involving interviewing people, these studies cannot be classed as ionclast and can only be taken as a guide.
Even as a low carb person, I have been known to be in situations where I am not in control of the food presented and am forced to eat against what I would consider healthy. So even for low carb people, none of us can guarantee that our diets remain 'pure'.
flint18,
Mar 11, 3:48pm
Yep, I have lost weight eating more food then usual, just more healthier foods.
Have pretty much got it down to a fine art now for my body :).
I could eat a whole days worth of junk food and still lose weight by maintaining 6 days of strict healthy eating.
There are plenty of ways to do it, the right way is the one that works for you.
elliehen,
Mar 11, 4:03pm
What is an 'ionclast' study!Google seems to suggest 'anti-static' but this doesn't make sense.
Anyone!
camper18,
Mar 11, 4:19pm
If possible walk BEFORE breakfast or dinner and you will burn off calories. If you do it AFTER meals you will only burn off part of the meal. Works well for me 69 & hubby 77, keeping fit and in trim for our OE to Europe in June
ant_sonja,
Mar 11, 4:21pm
maybe meant to read:iconoclast ( ) n. One who attacks and seeks to overthrow traditional or popular ideas or institutions.
.but I could be wrong :-)
buzzy110,
Mar 11, 4:22pm
Thank you for pointing out my error elli. I really appreciate that. I'll reword my sentence:
The sentence with the offending word - "While there may be plenty of general studies carried out involving interviewing people, these studies cannot be classed as ionclast and can only be taken as a guide."
The corrected sentence - While there may be plenty of studies carried out involving interviewing people, these studies cannot be taken as scientific proof of anything in particular, especially as they will probably lack a control group and a group that does the opposite - in other words the accepted double blind study using rigourous and verifiable doses of food. The best that can be achieved is a 'maybe' conclusion.
ant_sonja,
Mar 11, 4:44pm
I have always eaten what I like, when I like and in moderation. Never been on a 'diet' or tried to loose weight on purpose nor do I 'exercise' (boring!) - but lead a pretty active life. I have always been pretty much spot on in regards to my weight/height ratio. In saying this, I have always favored natural foods over those processed - I can't live without fresh veggies/Salads daily and actually crave these types of foods whereas most people I know crave things from the opposite spectrum such as sweets/McD's or other junk type stuff. I do eat these things on occasion but can take them or leave them really. I don't watch my calorie or fat intake and freely use butter/cream in my cooking and full fat milk (whole un-pasturised when I can get it) to drink every day. I have never felt the need to buy low fat/low sugar/'diet' type foods and actually think the whole thing about them being healthier is utter bull. How can something more processed be better for us than something natural! I don't have a very sweet tooth but have 2 sugars (raw) in my coffee and I drink about 2 or 3 cups a day. I don't bake much but if I do, I also don't worry about the sugar content or anything else but simply enjoy it for what it is :-) I have lost about 10kg over the last year - only difference in my eating has been an increase in red meat consumption as well as eggs (thanks to our wonderful chooks :-)) and less carbs as I haven't felt like eating them as much. Oh and a healthy diet in my opinion includes a glass or two of red wine in the evenings as it relieves stress and stress is bad ;-) Anyhow - I think all things in moderation and the closer to nature the better.
elliehen,
Mar 11, 5:20pm
Well, thanks for your thanks, but I wasn't pointing out one of your errors - I was interested in learning a new word, 'ionclast'.It didn't 'offend' me; it intrigued me.
Pointing out your linguistic errors doesn't appeal to me.I can see that I'd have a lot of work to do for you, but you'd have to employ me, pay me well for my skills as an editorial assistant and I've got far too much work already.
elliehen,
Mar 11, 5:23pm
That could describe buzzy110 (Food Lies/Doctors' & Nutritionists' Lies thread etc) but that fits buzzy110, not the 'study' in the context of her sentence.
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