Haha great idea! I love it. I have never heard of community farming, what is it! (apart from the obvious from the name lol)
vmax2,
Dec 17, 6:10am
What breed of goats do you have uli!Farming is fun, but challenging.2 of my goats are not very well at the moment.Hopefully the natural treatment I gave them will help.Always so much to learn.
hezwez,
Dec 17, 6:48am
I disobeyed and discovered I've lived a VERY sheltered life.
frances1266,
Dec 17, 6:55am
I know someone raised on a vegetarian diet for most of her life with 2 degrees, 1 with honours.Amazing what you can do with a shrunken brain. I can remember reading a research paper that stated that vegetarians had a higher IQ than meat eaters. Read the China Study by Prof Colin Campbell is you want well researched information on a plant based diet.Uli and Buzzy will no doubt throw up their unresearched opinion on the China Study but that has been counteracted by Prof Campbell. Everything those 2 say is heresay and nothing more.
shop-a-holic,
Dec 17, 7:15am
uli wrote: And I reckon that anything "in moderation" is so boring that I lose interest very quickly. I go for all or nothing. I am not interested in "millions of moderate people". I am interested in the extreme highs - and lows - and that is what I experience. So if you want to be a moderate knowsley - then good for you, I will be an extreme uli :) Bipolar is the modern term.
knowsley,
Dec 17, 7:25am
I didn't want to insult bi-polar people.
uli,
Dec 17, 7:52am
It means that people like you who might have the "jest" but not the money teem up with people who have the money (and so bought land and live on it) - and make some sort of arrangement - which can be anything really . from "I help you for 2 days a week and get free living on your land and I bring my own caravan" to "I pay all the rates and some more and do not want to be hindered by YOUR plans - except if you go away for 2 months a year and then I will milk your cow AND keep all the milk (or feed them to the kunes - and eat those later)". LOL :)
uli,
Dec 17, 7:53am
I am glad to see that knowsley! Would have been really really BAD!
uli,
Dec 17, 7:56am
I have found that there is NOTHING at all that works if they have worms - I have dissected too many terminally ill goats with worms. No alternative treatment will work once they are infested. Sorry to say. Chemicals is the only way - and then not even that works every time with goats. Breed resistant goats is the answer - and it takes decades. :(
uli,
Dec 17, 8:01am
I have had every breed of goats - but now concentrate on a mix of Saanen with lots of Toggenburg boys and very little flap eared ones (as they are great in the milk fat yield but very bad in the food tolerance) - they cannot survive on my bad pasture - while the mini belted galloways eat everything (yes they are not goats but cows) - I didn't shift them for a week when we had all this rain last week - and they not only ate all the kikuyu down to nothing - but then proceeded to dig up the roots and ate them too - they are terrible little foragers worse than my kunes in fact and will destroy any paddock - given half a chance.
vmax2,
Dec 17, 8:05am
Yup, I gave the goats, dolomite, vitamin c and copper sulphate.It works really well, but for 1 goat it is a recurring problem.Won't breed from her again.Drench with apple cider vinegar is helpful too.Chemicals is always the last resort with my animals as it is with me.I have Toggenbergs too and just bought 1 Saanen last year.They're such characters, part of the family and very affectionate.
uli,
Dec 17, 8:08am
Same here vmax2 - if in doubt - eat her . Kinder in the long run . maybe not by ellies standards though :)
hestia,
Dec 17, 8:10am
Feed yourself enough carbohydrates and your body will make its own saturated fats - the human body is capable of producing saturated fats from dietary carbohydrates.
vmax2,
Dec 17, 8:10am
Can't eat her uli.I'm too attached to them.They 'nursed' me back to health when I had bad depression.Used to go and talk to my goats - therapy sessions, they're so understanding.
knowsley,
Dec 17, 8:50am
You're quoting science - it's wasted on that lot.
miri_s,
Dec 17, 2:05pm
Animals are so good for the soul! I don't know what I'd do with myself without at least one furry companion in my life.However, I'm no vegetarian :-PI'll look up that author you mentioned, vmax. Her advice sounds worth investigating.Thanks again.
buzzy110,
Dec 17, 10:16pm
Yikes. Read my posts. I have included sugar and grains in my list of foods that can be eaten in little bits, just as you state here. In fact, if you read very carefully I included absolutely every sort of food, and not eating to excess. What are you on! I know. It is your usual drivel, driven by some form of blind misogyny, seeing only what you want to see and making up the rest.
buzzy110,
Dec 17, 10:21pm
When it comes to low fat, I still recommend that those on that regime eat natural fats, including the healthy saturated fats, when they do eat any form of fat because in those fats you will find a good cross section of mono/di/polyunsaturated fats as well as omega 6 and CLA. I certain do oppose the use of artificial fats and those that have been chemically extracted from plants that we would never, ever, in our wildest dreams, include in our diet.
I also diverge from fellow low carbers, in that I also think that flax seed oil is pure poison, but as flax seeds are a food one wouldn't eat by itself it fits in with my statement about oil from plants we'd never eat.
bedazzledjewels,
Dec 17, 10:23pm
Interesting you say that about flax seed. Yesterday I chucked out the golden flaxseed that I hadn't used for over a year.
buzzy110,
Dec 17, 10:24pm
You also are very happy to tell people that they can consume artificial sweeteners. In my moderate world artificial sweeteners are just another frankenstein food that the human body never learned to metabolise and therefore, unlike you, I think they should be treated as hostile to the human condition, until others have proven, over several generations of consumption, that they are safe. Why make yourself into a human guinea pig for big pharma!
buzzy110,
Dec 17, 10:28pm
Lol. My own daughter has two degrees and is going for a third and she eats meat. So what is your point!
And please do post a link to Prof Campbell's refutations. I will be interested to read it sometime. I always have an open mind about things.
buzzy110,
Dec 17, 10:40pm
These fats are essential to the human condition. Their purpose is not merely to provide energy. They also provide satiety so that food intake can be kept at that nebulous point that knowsley calls "moderate". Animal fats are not just saturated. Most have a good range of mono and polyunsaturated fats, omega 6 and 3. Our bodies have vitamins A, D, E & K plus the creation and utilisation of our sex hormones which all require fat as they are not water soluble. Moderate amounts of natural fats are, indeed vital to human health and wellbeing.
davidt4,
Dec 17, 10:43pm
I threw mine out a long time ago when I discovered that not only did it taste horrible but it gave me stomach cramps.
buzzy110,
Dec 17, 11:02pm
Yes I have. But my hereditary conditions include diabetes type 2, heart and coronary disease and arthritis and yet, here I am, walking merrily into my 60th decade, still fit and healthy with all parts intact and working just fine. Hereditary diseases, in my opinion at least, can be easily escaped because I am living proof of that. I believe, and I don't ask you to, that diet plays a huge part in not activating hereditary triggers to fire.
In my case before lower carb eating I was unable to walk down steps by putting one foot onto the lower step after another. Now I run down and up stairs with no problem. Minor aches and pains are a thing of the past. Bloating is non-existent. I could have carried on as I was and now be crippled with arthritis and pre-diabetic.
So what would you choose for me! Your recommended diet that was slowly crippling me or my diet that keeps me healthy enough to run about and pick up, bend down, play with, push and cart about a 12kg youngster for most of the day, for most of the week! I know what I chose and aren't I lucky I did or I wouldn't be able to be the frisky grandmother I am who still goes scuba diving, tramping and camping, can ride her pushbike for 4 or 5 hours at a stretch and tear around the golf course anytime I get the time.
uli,
Dec 17, 11:50pm
Yeah well we live and learn - I made the much touted flax wraps once - then decided that I can eat a salad on a plate instead or if need be I can make a thin omelet to wrap stuff up in. I still use a bit of LSA in my yoghurt when the berries are scarce.
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