I can see how it can be irritating if it is not relevant to the discussion on the thread, though I agree with a lot of science behind their (and my) choices.
marielize1,
Jul 13, 3:36am
Nice chatting to you girls, ellie and ferita, I'll be off to a bath with a nice book now.
stormbaby,
Jul 13, 4:08am
I don't see anyone promoting meat as "pro meat". We are humans, we were designed to eat meat. Not eating meat is a choice, nothing else.
buzzy110,
Jul 13, 5:18am
How is my informing you that soy is a product that is best fermented before consumption, shouting meat and fat?
ferita,
Jul 13, 1:57pm
If you believe that humans were designed, why would a designer want us to kill another living thing to survive?
If you believe in a designer, how do you know what that designer designed us for?
What you are saying is not even scientific, it is fringe science at best.
elliehen,
Jul 13, 5:04pm
Now that really interests me - what are you currently reading? Have you read Jane Smiley's new book 'Private Lives' yet?
stormbaby,
Jul 14, 3:15am
Our bodies were designed to eat meat. Look at the cavemen. Doesn't take rocket science.
ferita,
Jul 14, 3:41am
What a load of rubbish. Meat needs to be cooked to be consumed. Eating coooked meat causes leukocytosis. So saying the body was designed to eat meat is wrong. Why would the body create white blood cells to fight the invading organism (cooked meat) if it was designed to eat it? ?
stormbaby,
Jul 14, 6:31am
Hehehe, I think you may find the majority of the population of most countries will disagree with you ferita. We were designed to eat meat. You stick to your meat free diet, the rest of us are quite happy thanks (goes out to kill something! ).
buzzy110,
Jul 14, 6:39am
I have searched and searched and apart from information that says leukocytosis usually occurs as a result of bacterial infections, I can find no reference to meat, cooked or otherwise being a causative factor. Can you please provide a link or reference a book with this information in because apparently not one researcher or scientific commentator knows that cooked meat, which mankind has been eating for over 2 million years by the way, causes leukocytosis.
Thanks in advance.
ferita,
Jul 14, 11:35am
Look up studies done by swiss scientist Dr. Paul Kouchakoff
Also watch www.foodmatters. tv
buzzy110,
Jul 14, 6:40pm
ferita - I really appreciate the Kauchakoff link and it is now saved for future reference. However, he makes no mention of meat in his studies and instead, says things like water, sugar, wine, cereals, butter and many vegetables can cause 'digestive leukoyctosis' if heated beyond their "own temperature".
I also get the impression that leukocytosis and digestive leukocytosis, whilst related, are two different things.
May I also reiterate, that mankind has been eating cooked and fermented food for over 2 million years and in that time we have become the most populous and successful mammal on Earth. So it can't be all doom and gloom can it?
buzzy110,
Jul 14, 6:42pm
I haven't watched the TV show because 80mins of download video is rather hard on my data cap.
buzzy110,
Jul 14, 10:14pm
Couldn't agree more.
By eating meat early man only had to spend a total of 17hrs a week on food gathering and preparation. Wow. That means prehistoric man was able to spend the rest of their waking hours perfecting arts, music, astronomy, navigation, mathematics, the wheel, soap making, pottery, iron, story telling, language, reading, writing, money, smithing, jewellery making, clothing, house building, and all the other little increments of skills and knowledge that led to us being the most successful mammal on Earth today.
Wonder what we'd be doing if we still ate plant matter alone.
ferita,
Jul 14, 10:55pm
Living longer healthier lives.
kay141,
Jul 14, 11:06pm
buzzy110 wrote: Couldn't agree more.
By eating meat early man only had to spend a total of 17hrs a week on food gathering and preparation. Wow. That means prehistoric man was able to spend the rest of their waking hours perfecting arts, music, astronomy, navigation, mathematics, the wheel, soap making, pottery, iron, story telling, language, reading, writing, money, smithing, jewellery making, clothing, house building, and all the other little increments of skills and knowledge that led to us being the most successful mammal on Earth today.
Your ancestor were obviously the most skilled hunters.
buzzy110,
Jul 14, 11:15pm
Maybe. However, answer this. If mankind had had to spend all day seeking out and eating food, where would we have gotten the time or the energy to create all the technology that makes it possible to grow and harvest our plant material and so frees us up to spend more time on the internet?
I hear you ask, what is she talking about so I'll explain.
Meat eating animals eat once then don't eat again for the rest of the day (unless you are a cat or dog living on tinned crap). Vegetarian animals, without exception, spend all day long eating. No rest for a cow in the field. Its head is always down eating grass or chewing its cud. Wild vegetarian animals have to seek out food to eat and then eat it and move on to greener pastures.
When were we going to find the time to develop? I thought the 17 hours a week comment would have been enough explanation but obviously it went right over your head.
buzzy110,
Jul 14, 11:19pm
Takes a bow. Sometimes they were so skilled they could spend even less time hunting. And remember, game was much more plentiful than it is today and they were much less picky about what they would and wouldn't eat.
ferita,
Jul 15, 12:11am
It did not go over my head at all. You are assuming everyone believes in evolution. Which in itself is a just a theory and not a fact. People that believe in intelligent design believe that people were created already developed.
lucky082,
Jul 15, 12:12am
I just wanted to clarify something that has been mentioned twice in this thread about milk and pasteurisation. Lactase is an enzyme that digests lactose (otherwise known as "milk sugar"). Lactase is NOT present in milk. It is found in the small intestine where it digests lactase into galactose and glucose, which ARE digestible. Lactose is not digestible without lactase, as it is not broken down into the constituent sugars that are able to be absorbed by mammals. Pasteurisation has nothing to do with lactose intolerance.
feris04,
Jul 15, 12:13am
Not to mention we don't have enough protozoa, bacteria and fungi in our guts to digest cellulose. If we were meant to live on lettuce and wheat grass we would be ruminants and have large grinding molars. or at least a caecum that was functioning.
feris04,
Jul 15, 12:15am
an credibility you had just went wooosh. Evolution is at least a theory, intelligent design is a fairy tale.
buzzy110,
Jul 15, 12:24am
You are absolutely correct and I stand corrected.
lucky082,
Jul 15, 12:30am
No problem buzzy. For the record, I wouldn't go near soy "milk". I actually object to the term milk as technically it's incorrect. I know enough about reproductive endocrinology not to include it in my diet. Legumes have a well documented effect on livestock, causing fertility problems insofar as most farmers are advised not to graze stock on legumes prior to mating.
ferita,
Jul 15, 12:34am
If you had been following the thread you would have realised that a poster before me said that humans were designed to eat meat. This is what I was refering to, not my beliefs. Evolution is a theory, you cannot prove it at all. This does not mean I dont believe in it.
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