Interesting article from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition showing that male subjects on a low carb diet "exhibited significant elevations of blood lipid levels, particularly of cholesterol, and also developed moderate elevations of the blood urea nitrogen", and for obese women, while on a low carb diet "cholesterol levels fell in the initial phase of weight reduction, they tended to return to the initial level with the passage of time".
Has the Heart Foundation lost the plot completely?!
"The Heart Foundation has finally trashed the last of its credibility.
Last week, (an ecstatic) Nestle announced that it had secured a Heart Foundation tick on 44 of the 46 breakfast cereals it sells in Australia.
The line-up of tick-approved products will now include some of the highest sugar breakfast cereals on sale in Australia. Milo and Milo Duo (both 29.7% sugar), Uncle Toby’s Oats Temptations (up to 34% sugar) and Uncle Toby’s Healthwise for Heart Wellbeing (30% sugar) will join the Kellogg’s Just Right (31.1% sugar) on the list of cereals the Heart Foundation says you should be eating.
The only two Nestle breakfast cereals now lacking the tick of approval are Nesquick (31.7% sugar) and Uncle Toby’s Plus Protein Lift (25.3% sugar). But don’t worry they’ll both be tickety-boo in no time. They’re currently being “reformulated”.
This 1967 article was quite specific though knowsley. The participants were all subjected to a diet that was severely carbohydrate restricted.
We gentle souls in here, would never, ever recommend such a diet, nor would we dream of going on one ourselves. That would cut so much delicious foods from our wide and varied diet that we would probably give up by lunchtime, exactly like those who severely restrict their fat intake to conform to the low fat values of a high carb diet.
knowsley,
Feb 4, 6:57am
I see a people on here talking about limiting their carb intake to very restrictive levels. And in case you hadn't noticed, (or refused to notice), there are other options than just low carb and low fat.
uli,
Feb 4, 8:00am
Not sure what you call a "restrictive level" - but bear in mind that not long ago we had no carbs other than the odd tuber in autumn and some berries and maybe once a year some honey if we robbed a wild hive.
Carbs as we eat now - from grains and sugar cane came only into being about 10 000 years ago when humans started some agriculture.. Before that there were very few carbs to be had :)
tommydog,
Feb 4, 8:12am
Did you know that 80% of our Serotonin is in our stomachs.Kind of makes sense.Get you are feeling fine.But I think depression has many dresses I have a brother that has suffered very badly but its more to to with emotions and up-bringing that has put him in that state.
bedazzledjewels,
Feb 20, 9:38pm
I quote - "The kicker in all this for the long-suffering taxpayer, who is footing the bill for publicly-funded bariatric surgery, is the dietary recommendations for people who've had bariatric surgery. One site sums it up as "for the rest of your life, protein will be your top priority when making food choices." Well, yeah - if you do that, the weight won't come back. And if this dietary advice had been recommended for the general population the last 40 years or so, the weight may not have turned up in the first place, and we wouldn't be seeing demands for public funding of bariatric surgery. The power of a false premise firmly believed in, huh?"
Have been reading John Yudkins Pure White and Deadly and I am truly amazed that what he was saying by 1972 onward, is exactly the same information that has taken us, as a combined group, to piece together over the course of this thread, which has been almost 18 months.
As another poster put it in another thread, he was a pioneer, recommending a high nutrient diet for everyone, of high protein, moderate fat and low carbs. He saw that the diet our evolutionary ancestors evolved on over millions of years is still the best chance for modern day man in the developed world to avoid the crippling or deadly diseases that have become almost epidemic in modern, well developed countries. He gives instances of present day cultures that still live as our ancestors and points out just how healthy they are, as opposed to 'us'.
bedazzledjewels,
Mar 8, 10:05pm
Take heart everyone - change IS happening!
'Yesterday in the US two organisations, in very different ways, announced a move to a low carb diet, Harvard Centre for Public Health and secondly American Diabetes Association, which is the US equivalent to Diabetes UK.
Harvard (a centre of excellence in public health and nutrition) announced that the US should end the low fat message.Walter Willet, Professor of Nutrition at Harvard told the food industry that we must stop making low fat foods because they are full of carbs.
Having supported a high carb low fat message for the past 15 years, the American Diabetes Association has now decided that it is each man for himself and that there is no one diet to suit all. Indeed it emphasises that the critical issue is keeping blood glucose levels stable and refers people to one of the best known low carbers of all time, Dr Bernstein.
There is also an article called “Eating With Diabetes: 3 Approaches” lists the low-carb approach first, and then follows with “Moderate-Carb” and “Vegan/High-Carb”. Quote ADA - “Understanding the effect of carbohydrate on blood glucose levels is key to managing diabetes. The carbohydrate in food makes blood glucose levels go up.”
The 2 year Shai study tested low fat, low carb and the Mediterranean diet (a moderate-fat, restricted-calorie diet, rich in vegetables and low in red meat, with poultry and fish replacing beef and lamb).and found the Mediterranean diet to be best for diabetics: "Among the 36 subjects with diabetes, changes in fasting plasma glucose and insulin levels were more favorable among those assigned to the Mediterranean diet"
buzzy110,
Mar 10, 3:30am
About time too. I have been reading the ADA recommendations and can see that while they are still trying to cling to the old recommendations of 55-60% of calories from carbs a day their grip is loosening.
There is still the hoary old argument about fats but now, at least, they are giving both sides of the story.
I wonder when the Heart Foundations are going to follow and abandon their unproven dogma.
pixiegirl,
Mar 10, 3:57am
That is good news dazz. About time.
elliehen,
Mar 16, 10:37pm
QUOTE: " Although laetrile is widely considered quackery in the medical community, advocates for laetrile dispute this label, asserting that there is a conspiracy between the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the pharmaceutical industry and the medical community, including the American Medical Association and the American Cancer Society, to exploit the American people, and especially cancer patients. Some North American cancer patients have travelled to Mexico for treatment with the substance, allegedly under the auspices of Dr. Ernesto Contreras. One of these patients was actor Steve McQueen, who died in Mexico following treatment with laetrile and surgery to remove a stomach tumour while undergoing treatment for mesothelioma.
Laetrile advocates in the United States include Dean Burk (now deceased), a former chief chemist of the National Cancer Institute cytochemistry laboratory, and national arm wrestling champion Jason Vale, who claimed that his kidney and pancreatic cancers were cured by eating apricot seeds. Vale was convicted in 2003 for, among other things, marketing laetrile. The court also found that Vale, who had made at least $500,000 from his illegal sales of laetrile, had fraudulently marketed the substance.
The US Food and Drug Administration continues to seek jail sentences for vendors marketing laetrile for cancer treatment, calling it a 'highly toxic product that has not shown any effect on treating cancer'." :UNQUOTE
A Big Fat Food Lie:"conspiracy between the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the pharmaceutical industry and the medical community, including the American Medical Association and the American Cancer Society, to exploit the American people, and especially cancer patients."
...and.....conspiracy??? ....a feeling of deja vu ;)
bedazzledjewels,
Mar 18, 11:09pm
Interesting Gary Taubes article - "It's Not About the Calories - Why existing efforts to combat childhood obesity are bound to fail"
And yet he writes in his latest book: "Health experts think that the first law is relevant to why we get fat because they say to themselves and then to us, as the The New York Times did, “Those who consume more calories than they expend in energy will gain weight.” This is true. It has to be. To get fatter and heavier, we have to overeat. We have to consume more calories than we expend. That’s a given." He just can't seem to make up his mind. Or rather, he changes his story when he gets called out on some of his outrageously stupid claims.
bedazzledjewels,
Mar 19, 3:42am
Page number in the book please. I'd like to read it in context.
buzzy110,
Mar 19, 5:06am
So good to see you are finally reading Gary Taubes knowsley. I just cannot understand your problem. He is stating an undeniable truth. We here all agree that to get fatter and heavier, you have to overeat.
No matter what drives the human body to store excess consumed energy as adipose, and then much later, visceral fat, it all begins with what we shovel into our mouths. Which is why he says it isn't about energy balance. The debate should be about why people eat more energy than they burn. There is a really big difference. This is the point Gary Taubes is trying to make. He is not being confusing at all.
I understand why my body makes fat from food so I eat a diet that prevents me from over eating calories and yet am never hungry and never have low blood sugar. Others do not understand why their bodies make fat, and so they eat more energy than their body burns. Therefore he is right. It really, really shouldn't be about calories in vs calories out. It should be about understanding how the body makes fat. I, personally can not see any ambiguity in either of his statements.
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