I thought this was just a question as to whether we considered this a healthy lunch or not? Uli asked the question and gave her opinion that she personally didn't think it was. . nothing more. I don't see where she mentions force-feeding kids? I am not sure why people have become defensive and have digressed into other matters. . however. . each to their own. My kids have this for lunch sometimes, or mousetraps [same sort of thing]. . No I don't consider it to be particularly healthy either. . but it's not consumed everyday, it's not necessary to be a good cook to make it. . the kids can pile the toppings on and shove it in the oven easy enough. And sometimes it's nice to be slack and have food like this. [Not that I do. . but it just doesn't appeal to me. . carrot cake does tho'! ! ]
aphra1,
Apr 15, 8:11pm
It's healthier than a packet of crisps and a cream bun.
doug57,
Apr 15, 8:13pm
LOL. . and 'sometimes' my kids eat that too! . . Yesterday in fact, when their cousins and grandmother arrived [all vegetarians] armed with a pile of food for lunch!
uli,
Apr 15, 8:58pm
All fine with me - have you noticed maybe that I am just trying to find out if NZlanders find this (post#1 ) "healthy" - there has never been any discusssion about what "I" myself find healthy ...
So could you please stick to the question rather than hi-jack the thread? Thanks!
elliehen,
Apr 15, 9:15pm
Well, you've probably heard enough? ?
Summary:Most posters believe that a lunch like this now and again is not going to damage the health of a teenager.
The word 'healthy' is very loaded, and like lyl_guy's snap poll earlier on government healthy-eating dietary guidelines, your question cannot have a definitive answer because of the baggage carried by that word. Any considered answer needs a few corollaries, which is why you've had no one-word 'yes' or 'no' replies.
cookessentials,
Apr 15, 9:31pm
hi-jack, i dont think so. People will feed their children what they wish and not everyone will agree with it will they waltraud?
cookessentials,
Apr 15, 9:34pm
#30, perhaps one should read the WHOLE post eh
grannypam,
Apr 15, 9:37pm
I guess this is where the old saying
"one mans meat is another mans poison " comes in. .
buzzy110,
Apr 15, 11:08pm
From most of the posts that say it is healthy there comes a load of justifying and qualifications. It appears that most believe it is healthy in comparison to chips, sweets and fast foods. Whether or not it is a healthy, stand alone dish is open to debate.
If I put everything else aside, I'd say no. No one actually understands that there is as much sugar in that lunch as there is in all the chips, soft drinks and biscuits put together. Maccas or KFC actually have the jump on that meal because their burgers and chicken, at least have proteins and saturated fat.
I watched the Fathead video and Tom McNaughton ate only Maccas and other fast food for a month, ate no more than 2000 calories, didn't buy the salads or healthy foods and limited his carbohydrates to less than 100g a day. He lost weight and improved his LDL, HDL and triglycerides. Makes you think doesn't it?
pickles7,
Apr 15, 11:47pm
NO! , someone hi jacking ya thread uli , , , , "dullard's" that is how I look at the hi hackers, uli, and usually they're not even New Zealander's ! ! ! !
elliehen,
Apr 15, 11:50pm
buzzy110 - you deserve that treat pizza. Don't plead or wait any longer... . go and buy it for yourself ;)
buzzy110,
Apr 16, 12:06am
No elliehen. If I bought it myself it wouldn't be a treat. I need to share it with my family, then it would be a treat. It is like getting a piece of carved pounamu or whale bone, carved by a master Maori carver. I'd never think of buying my own.
buzzy110,
Apr 16, 12:13am
Ermm, ummm. Are you xenophobic pickles?
elliehen,
Apr 16, 12:41am
Pizza to Pounamu? That's a mighty big stretch! I'd still say go and buy it - you can share it ...
As the ads say, 'You're worth it! 'Many women cook and clean for their families, without having their own needs met, and if, as you say, you constantly plead and are ignored and are not understood, your needs are clearly not being met;)
Go buy it... . TONIGHT... Friday cook's night off...
pickles7,
Apr 16, 1:02am
that be a bit over the top, buzzy.
buzzy110,
Apr 16, 1:11am
No. Never constantly pleading. Only pleading for my birthday. Luckily I only have one a year so pleading comes one day per annum! lol. Still wouldn't buy something I have to eat alone. Like drinking, eating special foods alone is unhealthy and leads to addiction.
elliehen,
Apr 16, 3:58am
Pizza is for sharing - must share, buzzy110. Those teenagers uli drew everyone's attention to were enjoying a pizza they had prepared and shared. Let's celebrate that.
So what if scone pizza is not everybody's first choice? As grannypam said, 'One man's meat is another man's poison' and a witty francophile followed that with 'One man's meat is another man's poisson. '
mbos,
Apr 17, 12:32am
For me, there are elements to the described meal that make it healthy, such as the ham and vegetables. The cheese is good protein and good for calcium levels.
The scone dough - well it's carbohydrate.
The sugar in the spaghetti - a can between a group of hungry teenagers who are likely to burn it off growing and living a less sedentry life than an adult (hopefully).
To me, it seems a healthy lunch, if eaten as PART of a balanced overall diet.
elliehen,
Apr 17, 3:03am
mbos, you've drawn a balanced and concise conclusion to these posts, especially for those who know first-hand what it's like to feed the bottomless pits known as teenagers in their families :)
uli,
Apr 17, 3:18am
Hmmm - all the "modern" teenagers I know of will sit in front of either books (learning), tv ("relaxing") or computers ("learning" or shutting off... ) - the "burn off" is pretty slim nowadays :)
mbos,
Apr 17, 3:34am
Quite often they're at least walking or biking to and from school, and doing sports or activities.
And there's still the 'growing' - that takes a bit more energy than an adult uses!
But yeah, the burn-off is worrying in it's decrease. Which accounts for the wobbles in the Supre and Billabong outfits, lol!
mbos,
Apr 17, 3:36am
And when you say 'all' uli, do you really mean 'all'?
I see a lot of teenagers surfing at the beach, playing in the park and the school grounds, on their bikes, their skateboards, and their scooters, and doing activities like marching (I live opposite their practice ground for my sins, lol! )
margyr,
Apr 17, 3:40am
It is certainly a yummy lunch, and if as the article says it stops continual snacking all afternoon then it is healthy, if we stuck to 3 main meals a day and did not constantly snack weight would not be such an issue.
uli,
Apr 17, 3:41am
Of course you can never say "all" - but it seems just such a HUGE percentage mbos - and so few that actually do a bit of sports - and even they "wobble" LOL :)
elliehen,
Feb 9, 2:57am
To 'know of' them? ?
... quite another thing to actually 'know' them, as in coaching them, car-pooling them to their team sports, taking them with their mountain bikes to the start of gruelling tracks, helping them pack for a five day tramp...
Most teenagers are not the stereotypes in the news. If you're involved with a secondary school in any capacity you'll also see them rehearsing for the school musical, practising for competitive hip-hop, kapa haka, waka ama... and doing much, much more than sitting in front of their computers.
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