Having just completed 21 yrs as a Type 1, injecting 4 times each day, I cannot believe the " tit for tat " showing on this thread. Go to your local Diabetes Society for support, information. They will have a wealth of information available to any person with diabetes, whetherType 1 or 2.
elliehen,
Jul 7, 11:16am
Yes, firob, it's childish. I've tried to enter the thread only when the 'advice' is really wacky and off-the-wall and I feel it needs countering and to be turned back towards the individual's own health professional.
Diabetes is misunderstood - some posters here seem to think it's all about fat people who have caused their own condition through poor diet.
Many children - slim, fit and otherwise healthy - have been diagnosed as young as 18 months old. Children and teenagers have to manage the rigorous daily discipline of a person such as you with long-term Type I diabetes, and to be 'educated' by an anonymous ignoramus is arrogant and insulting.
polly551,
Nov 30, 3:10am
Mmmm lot of experts on here, my advise, follow your own instincts, and do what is right for you.
Depends firstly if you are diabetes 1 or 2 - completely different plans apply.
Depends secondly if you are insulin dependend or no - which means that you are most likely diabetes 2 and can get away with diet.
Depends thirdly which plans you'd like to follow justh (I am thinking here that you might be D2 and not needing insulin) - there are obviously two options: eat carbs and medications - or try a low carb diet and not need medications.
But without all that info no-one can (or wants to) really give any advice.
Take care!
justh,
Jun 14, 10:37pm
Thank you all for your suggestions, I am enquiring on behalf of a friend who doesn't have time to look for them. He's not sure which Diabetes he has, but says he doesn't need insulin injections, but takes pills.
cgvl,
Jun 15, 12:38am
justh he's type 2 then. The diabetic baking thread has ideas in it and I see raewyn gave you the link. Our local library has some excellent cookbooks for diabetics . main meal ideas. Just remember cut down on the sweet stuff, watch the carbs and fats and exercise if at all possible. Tell him/her to check out the nearest local diabetic support group, they are a minefield of good information and often you can get stuff through them at a discount.
uli,
Jun 15, 4:04am
As a diabetic you have to watch the carbs but NOT the fats . the idea to "watch" fats comes from the idea that fats make you fat - which they do NOT - in absence of carbs - which is what you do not want to eat anyway - except if you listen to the diabetes nurse who will tell you to eat porridge for breakfast.
Unfortunately in NZ you cannot sue said nurse - but I am sure it is not long to go and someone in America will do just that - as basically it is murder to tell someone who cannot metabolize carbs to eat carbs . I could go on but won't - you need to work up an appetite to find out the truth yourself - and I cannot give you that - happy researching :)
cgvl,
Jun 15, 4:54am
Well - maybe ask your doctor and don't "believe" in cgvl's "diagnosis" . would worry me actually .
Well Uli same could be said for the incorrect and scaremongering info you give at times.
elliehen,
Jun 15, 4:56am
I suggest that your friend joins the local Diabetes Society (it's not just a 'support group') and then he will be entitled to receive the local society's newsletter, attend meetings with speakers etc and also to receive the National Diabetes New Zealand quarterly magazine.
I believe it's unwise to look for medical advice (that includes dietary advice for medical conditions) on an internet message board where the contributors are anonymous and their qualifications unknown and untested - no matter how well-intentioned they might be.
Later on, when your friend understands more about the condition, he might feel able to exchange recipes and meal ideas with others who have the same condition and understand it from the perspective of personal experience.
kay141,
Jun 15, 5:27am
Uli- from your pontificating you seem to be an expert on all manner of things from food to sunscreens. What are your qualifications!
uli,
Jun 15, 6:00am
I don't give any "scaremongering" info - if you'd like anything to be spelt out in more detail I am happy to do so - otherwise please use mrs google .
uli,
Jun 15, 6:02am
What do you mean by "pontificating"!
And my qualifications would not interest you in the least I am sure .LOL :)
jasandkt,
Jul 1, 6:32am
Uli- Im not sure where you got your information from about carbs/fats and diabetes. Yes you have to watch them but you MUST check fat content as fat is also classed as sugar, and pending on age eg 6yr old must have 15grms of carbs per meal/snack going up with age an weight
uli,
Jul 1, 7:56am
jasandkt - Please do inform yourself of the realities of how the body works. Fat is not going to make any insulin response in your body. You can eat as much as you like - while carbs are the stuff you do not want. Nobody with diabetes needs to eat carbs - no matter what age.
It is an absolute myth - and you would be well set to find out more about it. Why not start with Dr. Bernsteins book! http://diabetes-book.com/
He has survived diabetes 1 and had to find his own solutions despite stupid advice like ". a 6yr old must have 15grms of carbs per meal/snack."
Get it from your library and inform yourself.
Good luck!
amiri1,
Jul 1, 9:18am
I like this site for info,http://www.diabetesdaily.com/and they have recipes. Less carbs whoever you are is better for you, it means less insulin whether you make it yourself or have to inject it. Less insulin means less weight is gained (and other stuff which my brain can't think of at the moment but is out there in info-land)! Good luck with your search! :)
buzzy110,
Jul 1, 9:59am
OMG. Since when was fat classed as a sugar. You must know something every scientist in the world doesn't. Though I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of rubbish was disseminated by the Diabetes Society.
For your own information, your body will produce insulin when your small intestine is stretched. This means that if you ate stones, your body would still produce insulin. However, no amount of saying that stones are a form a sugar, will make that statement true and the same goes for fat.
Fat is metabolically inert. All it does is slow the rate of digestion in the stomach. This is a good thing, because when fat is eaten with carbohydrates, it actually slows the transport, into the blood stream of the glucose which the sucrase, produced by the small intestine, extracts (putting it too simply here) from CARBOHYDRATES.
Why is it a good thing! Well this means that instead of a sugar spike, which a type 2 cannot adequately deal with, sugar is released slowly into the bloodstream so that what insulin is produced is more able to handle it.
What is even better, is if less than 30grams of carbs(6 + 12 + 12) is consumed per day by any diabetic, whether they be T1 or T2.
buzzy110,
Jul 1, 10:25am
Unfortunately, most of the damage that can occur to the body from ingesting too many carbohydrates, can also occur when ingesting fat with too many carbohydrates. This is why the conventional wisdom is to advise not to eat fats. However, this is the wrong advice. The advice should be to eat less carbohydrates whilst continuing to eat the same amount of fat.
To complete the picture, the sort of fats eaten should come from animal sources or vegetable sources such as cold pressed olive oil and coconut oil. Fish oils should also figure high on the list of priorities.
Carbohydrates are the things that cause the body to over produce insulin in the first place. They cause the body to become resistant to insulin. Insulin is anabolic so if you eat too many carbohydrates you become fat, until you are so resistant to insulin, your body begins to lose weight, rapidly.
buzzy110,
Jul 1, 10:30am
Incorrect ellihen. Prior to the mid forties t1 diabetics where advised to eat an extremely low car, no carb diet. This negated the need for medication. Post mid 1940s they changed to advising children to eat a carbohydrate diet. Doctor Bernstein was in the latter group and his growth was stunted.
He now advises all his patients, and anyone else who will listen that they should eat only 6, 12 & 12 grams of carbohydrates at each meal.
He has nothing good to say about the Diabetes Society of his country and blames them entirely for his poor physical condition and the fact that all of his T1 contemporaries died in their 40s.
Your advice, as always is pure and unmitigated rubbish, just like your attempts to discredit uli and I by inferring we were alcoholics and smokers. As I said in that thread, your advice is beneath contempt.
elliehen,
Jul 1, 10:39am
Very unsafe advice to give the parent of a child who is about to run on to the football field or netball court.The child must eat a carbohydrate boost snack MINUS the fat (e.g. a muesli bar WITHOUT the chocolate) so that fat content does not slow the glucose from getting to where it's needed.
buzzy110,
Jul 1, 10:47am
Yada yada ellihen. Dr Bernstein, someone infinitely more experienced and a thousand times better qualified than you would say differently. However, in this case we are talking about an adult so why not answer the question, like you always are telling me to do.
elliehen,
Jul 1, 11:04am
Anyone seeking advice on a medical condition as finely balanced as IDDM or NIDDM would do well to stay away from anonymous self-appointed experts, especially those breathlessly excited about the latest thing they've read.
firob,
Jul 3, 2:05am
Very true words elliehen, No person with type 1 or 2 should be taking on board advice from an anonymous source such as on this site. Lots of information is freely available on good eating/ recipes etc from any local Diabetes organisation. They have a wealth of information available for all people with Diabetes.
yjeva,
Jul 3, 2:17am
If this person has been diagnosed by a doctor he should already have been referred to a diabetic clinic and have access to a qualified diabetic nurse for advice. For this person to say that he doesn't have time to look for the information he needs for his health is foolish in the extreme.
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