If you were designing your dream kitchen.

Excited for you! I'm just starting and it is exciting. Mind you, I haven't seen any quotes yet. :-)

Very interested that you are putting in two full size ovens. We've thought briefly of that because I really want two ovens but have yet to find a double oven I like and I'm very happy with the performance of our existing oven. Problem is, I don't really need as much space as two full ovens, but want a decent "half" oven, not just a glorified grill. I need to do more research.

Thanks for the detail, have a great week.

Chef_cmw1983, Apr 3, 1:22 pm

http://www.belling.co.nz/ Use the arrow in the side of the top bit to a kitchen look. Now this link needs to look through everything to appreciate. each section has arrows, use them to peruse further. Love the sizes they offer and that moisturiser . http://www.miele.co.nz/domestic/ovens-1445.htm

Chef_valentino, Apr 3, 5:34 pm

Thanks Valentino, we are enjoying all your suggestions, thanks. I might have to resubmit on the Miele website a couple of times -the first effort said my perfect oven was $16000. Nice but not in budget :-). I will certainly spend some time on these sites this week, thank you.

Chef_cmw1983, Apr 3, 5:59 pm

Just adding further thoughts esp if you hosting a bit and is quite nice simple and unique but slightly off topic but nice to know to add to overall thoughts.

http://www.seriouseats.com/2015/02/how-to-make-chinese-hot-pot-at-home-guide.html http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/07/14/1247337107281.html

In Rotorua, visited a restaurant set up with these in mind and though WOW, we have BBQ gathering , Home gatherings normal but Chinese Hot Pot style does open things up further and no cooking to worry about, the diners do it themselves bit by bit.


Chef_valentino, Apr 3, 7:58 pm

wouldnt recommend a Belling oven, i bought this one as i loved the look of it

while its ok, i wouldnt rave about it at all, its quite patchy in the cooking, the middle of the oven seems to be a bit of a dead spot. The top oven is really small so can only fit flat oven dishes in but is fine when cooking for one

Chef_robyn35, Apr 3, 8:15 pm

I have a "Leisure" double oven, top is grill and smaller oven full width and depth, with the much bigger full size oven under ceramic stove top.

Only downside is no power plugs like others I had have had, lol tongue twister.

Interesting comment robyn35 - did you go back to them noting that, they do need to know.

Have worked in spacious kitchens and a couple of good size purposely ovens will always do the job for a gathering. Quite often though needed a hooded BBQ or a Bain Marie just to keep certain foods warm.

Raises another though, do you a Hooded BBQ outside handy, great to have especially Rotisserie.

The obvious question is "How many regularly will the kitchen cater for, how large is the home, and resale value?

Only you can answer this.



Chef_valentino, Apr 4, 8:15 am

I prefer the tempered glass splashbacks. They are easy to clean and come in a range of colours so can look fabulous. My splashback is stainless steel.

Instead of an overhead extractor fan I have a s/s one set into the wall above the splash back. It pulls splatters and steamy air toward it so that most of the splatter goes to one place (onto the splashback) so not so much cleaning. It works beautifully; is accessible so easy to pull apart and clean; it is integrated and unobtrusive leaving the space above the stove clear and finally it is as near silent as anyone would want.

Chef_buzzy110, Apr 5, 10:07 am

The wall mounted extractor fan sounds interesting Buzzy. Can you tell me the brand ?

Chef_davidt4, Apr 5, 11:11 am

My entire kitchen, which includes two fridges, 5 burner gas hob, double wall oven, dishwasher and under-sink electric water heater, is Westinghouse. I presume the extractor is as well. The reason my back of hob splashback is stainless steel is because that is the front of the extractor, i.e. - the filters are behind the splash back and the top of the s/s panel has vents cut into it. It is vented to the exterior via a pipe that goes under the floor. I like it because my hobs do not have to go onto an outside wall. With a bit of imagination anyone can easily see the advantages, both visually and practically when the extractor is directly behind and just above the height of the biggest pot and looks just like the splashback

Chef_buzzy110, Apr 5, 3:40 pm

Why do kitchen designers all ways put the dishwasher under the sink bench when it would be easier to load and unload the dishwasher if it was up higher ?

Chef_toyboy3, Apr 7, 11:34 am

Chef_mackenzie2, Apr 8, 8:18 pm

Nice! Thank you. Another cool item into the bag of tricks:-). It's great to have input from a variety of people, much appreciated. We've talked to a couple of providers and we're getting some quotes. First quote arrived today - a bit "ouch" but the lovely designer is going to have a play and see what she can trim.

Chef_cmw1983, Apr 8, 9:08 pm

i would keep the stainless steel as it keeps the water in the sink . plenty of storage places . and a long bench with a rubbish bin under the sink so you have some where to put bits till you have a load to take out side . when i had a flat bench it let the water run all over the place .

Chef_whitehead., Apr 8, 9:27 pm

Things I love about my kitchen are, my Ilve oven https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/225813368789693063/ - if I was ever going to move I would take it with me, it's that good ! Also agree that a quiet and powerful (with good lighting) range hood is important too. I have a large porcelain butlers sink in the kitchen - and its great, you can always fit large dishes, roasting pans etc in it easily, which make cleaning them much easier. I am lucky enough to have a large scullery/pantry - with another big sink in there and it also has large benches with room for the toaster, microwave, cake mixer etc - and drawers under the benches for vegetables etc. Lastly, I agree with one of the other posters, about planning how you would unload your dishwasher (if you have one) - my dishwasher is beside the sink, so rinsed dishes can be easily put in, then the cupboards and drawers that I need to unload into are all within easy reach (and they open without banging into the open dishwasher door too) so that it's quick and easy to unload as well. One other thing I love about my kitchen is that I have a Stanley wood range cooker between the kitchen and dining room (all open plan) so that is wonderful for keeping the place warm, it heats our water and great to cook on and in. Hope you enjoy your new kitchen :-)

Chef_pony_girl, Apr 11, 10:36 am

I just checked and the range-hood I have is Asko - it is very quiet, but super powerful and best of all the filters in it are all stainless steel panels (not a mesh like some) and you can easily remove them and put them in the dishwasher occasionally keeping them nice and clean.

Chef_pony_girl, Apr 11, 11:34 am

Haven't read all the threads so, sorry, may be repeating what others have said. We are planning our kitchen revamp at the moment. Priorities are plenty of power points, tiled splashback (def not glass), walk in pantry with heaps of shelving (had one in the last house and there was so much more storage than even a large pantry unit, plus easier to organise and all the small appliances can sit on shelves in there freeing up cupboard space for crockery/pans/glassware etc), loads of work bench area is a must - hate islands so work bench on 3 sides but I quite fancy a large butcher's block in the centre as long as it has castors so I can move it.

Chef_biggles45, Apr 11, 3:15 pm

Hmmm, nice idea tooo, extending this thought - like an extended bench area on castors that can be moved about yet push into a home (sort of) within the kitchen. An interesting concept.


Chef_valentino, Apr 11, 3:41 pm

I just checked back after a few days and found more great feedback, many thanks. :-). We're getting three design/quotes (without sharing any designer's ideas with the others). I really like each of the designers, the reputation of the companies and the examples I've seen of the products. So far we have two results. One good design, a bit pricey. One not great on either design or price. Third due next week. Exciting stuff :-)

Chef_cmw1983, Apr 13, 4:51 pm

That is what we will have in our new kitchen, as I don't want an island. I can't decide whether to get something especially made, and if so what, or to just buy a long narrow table or to get something a bit more industrial on wheels.

Chef_davidt4, Apr 13, 7:22 pm

Perhaps if you can imagine the finished look, layout upon all being completed then look at what could be movable for your specific purpose.
Maybe a good word with some cabinet makers - kitchen designers to explore further thoughts.


Chef_valentino, Apr 13, 7:31 pm

And further thinking overnight, an Ironing board kept popping up in my mind, perhaps something like that incorporated somewhere like a pull out Pantry and the side or back drops down into an extended work area, or a set of cupboards/bench that can be pull out and something drops out to create the extra.

Hmmm, yep still thinking but thoughts added, maybe you can extend this further in your thinking.


Chef_valentino, Apr 14, 8:20 am

A top drawer in my 25 year old kitchen is actually a pull/fold out ironing board, but I haven't used it once in the 4 years I've been here. Think it's just in the wrong position, and I prefer my standard ironing board I can move around to suit whatever I'm ironing (something I try to avoid as much as possible!).

Chef_kaddiew, Apr 14, 9:40 am

Our new kitchen is almost finished, just waiting for the glass splash back to be made. I really like the new sink with draining board. It's eco granite
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/469843794.jpg https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/469843558.jpg

Chef_dollmakernz, Apr 14, 1:25 pm

What is the point of those second little sinks?

Chef_rainrain1, Apr 14, 2:41 pm

If you have tiles, don't have light coloured grout. be warned!

Chef_rainrain1, Apr 14, 2:42 pm

It's for food scraps and waste disposal, I quite often leave bigger things upturned over it to drain too!
I agree whole heartedly about the light grout for the tiles too! The kitchen we just replaced had it, we put the last kitchen in 23yrs ago and the grout was gross! Didin't matter what I did, couldn't keep it clean!

Chef_dollmakernz, Apr 14, 2:55 pm

Apparently epoxy grout solves the staining issue. I haven't seen it up, though, so don't know how attractive it is.

Chef_cmw1983, Apr 14, 3:33 pm

Our slumped glass splash back went in today and I'm over the moon with it! They used real ferns and fronds to imprint the pattern. It was made by E.scape glass in Invercargill
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/472122635.jpg https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/472122803.jpg

Chef_dollmakernz, Apr 22, 10:56 pm

Wow, it's stunning! Just lovely. I've never seen anything quite like it, thanks for sharing the images. Your kitchen looks great, bet you're loving it :-)

Chef_cmw1983, Apr 23, 2:56 pm

We are just going through the design phase at the moment. Are you having an open kitchen/lounge/dining area? We took a wall out to open our area up and one of the key things is to put all your oven/microwave below bench. Obviously can't do this with the fridge or stove top. Also, we are having one and half sink (no drainage) and possibly set below the bench top. We are having a water filter installed. Drawers rather than cupboards. Lots of great advice here.

Chef_shazzie10, Apr 24, 11:37 am

Hi Shazzie10. Sadly I wasn't able to convince the boss that removing a wall was a good idea :-). I agree - lots of great advice here, which we've really appreciated. May I ask your reasons for the 1 1/2 sink? I have strongly wanted one big sink and until recently I would have sworn I never used our 1/2 sink except as an extension of the waste disposal, but recently I've tried to be very conscious of how I'm using the current kitchen, just to reinforce what I like and what I don't. I now realise that I also use the half sink for rinsing newly washed dishes without adding water to the full sink and also for disposing of water/initial 'bits" (eg from soaking a lasagne pan or mashed spud pot - quick scrub, tip down the half sink then wash properly). So now I'm wavering on that.

Chef_cmw1983, Apr 24, 4:17 pm

That is lovely.
I've seen some tacky custom made splash backs over time, with all sorts of weird designs & I could easily live with what you have chosen . well done.
Is the 'smooth side' out for easy cleaning?

Chef_samanya, Apr 25, 4:56 pm

I can vouch for the in the wall extractor fan, we've had ours for 15 yrs and love it, ours was Parmco, may be other brands available now. When we purchased you could also get so they would rise out of the bench top. we were tight for space so chose the wall option.

Chef_ruby19, Apr 25, 5:52 pm

Yes, smooth surface. It's an absolute dream to clean. They made me a big fruit plate too, and it makes it easier to see how it's constructed. It's really thick https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/473192975.jpg It's toughened and then painted I took a photo of the back of it with my finger in the Koru indent to show you how deep it is https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/473193248.jpg I absolutely love this glass, it's a real work of art! https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/473192801.jpg

Chef_dollmakernz, Apr 26, 10:01 pm

I love it too.

Chef_samanya, Apr 26, 10:06 pm

Well, a couple of weeks on and we're getting very close to our final design. It's very exciting. We have had visits from three designers and the one that made the best impression at the very first meeting at their showroom has shone the whole way through every step and stage. We have been put in touch with a benchtop provider who gave us big samples to take home for the weekend - so helpful. We've pushed the budget out a bit, but the end result is looking to be so, so much more than we expected. Shame about the cost of appliances. but worth it in the end. Thanks to everyone for the input and especially for the pictures :-)

Chef_cmw1983, May 13, 9:41 pm

I am so glad you love your glass splashback. I noticed a poster on here reject them out of hand and gave no reason but to my way of thinking they are the best. They are easy to keep clean and allow the homeowner to really push the boat out in terms of creating a unique individual design to suit their particular tastes which no other medium can achieve.

Chef_buzzy110, May 14, 7:49 am

We're all looking forward to seeing the finished kitchen.

Chef_buzzy110, May 14, 7:50 am

The one thing I'd like in a new kitchen (well, apart from all the wonderful ideas presented so far) is an idea I've seen only a couple of times before, and thought - how great a use of "useless space"!

A cupboard in a slightly deeper kickboard (great for taller people!) under the cupboard base than usual, that drops down, and supplies storage under cupboards for all those large platters and items you only use a few times a year, are hard to store (often glass. ), but just can't live without when entertaining. Sheer bliss, and you'd never guess, either!

Chef_autumnwinds, May 25, 8:40 pm

Yes! I know what you mean and I asked one of the prospective designers about this. He said they're wonderful in rooms where storage space is at a premium, but we should be aware that there are feet underneath cabinets, so we would get a "drawer" between the feet and under the cabinet, ie a narrow, shallow space with the constricts of our plan. Our kitchen isn't huge but it's not bad and we will have quite a bit of storage space. Plus our toe kicks aren't too deep, so we decided not to do it. But definitely a cool idea! :-)

Our plan is signed off, our appliances are ordered, we have been to Auckland to look at the granite (definite recommend doing that if putting in natural stone). Just experiencing a bit of a communication blackout with the recommended tradies. I'm sure they are both awesome and in great demand, so are quite busy and pushed for time. A month out from installation, I need to get something firmed up or I will get stressy. Some phone calls tomorrow I think :-)

Chef_cmw1983, Jun 2, 8:51 pm

The countdown has almost begun. Good luck with your tradies.

Chef_buzzy110, Jun 4, 5:33 pm

Thanks buzzy :-).

Chef_cmw1983, Jun 5, 9:28 pm

1. Glass splash back - easy to clean, reflects light
2. shadowline under 20mm caesarstone benchtop - looks classy
3. lots of large drawers, preferably soft close
4. rangehood integrated into bulkhead cupboards - hidden, efficient & quiet Blanco brand
5. at least 75cm wide hob - need space for 2 pots or wok and pot
6. pantry with open shelves, dishwasher and a single sink - black Blanco eco granite
7. sink large enough to take roasting tray, no drainer - black Blanco eco granite
8. large island with no sink - great for entertaining, serving meals, homework, breakfast, laptop

Chef_deb1110, Jun 10, 9:53 pm

Well there's no turning back now! The old kitchen is gone and the new one goes in this coming week. Many thanks to all the posters, your thoughts have been so helpful - and not just to us, I'm sure :-). It will be a few weeks until the benchtop goes in and we've decided to wait until then to make decisions on wall tiles and vinyl flooring, so we're a wee way off being able to share a photo, but just wanted to update and say thanks :-)

Chef_cmw1983, Jul 2, 7:41 pm

WOO HOO! You won't know yourself. Look forward to seeing your beautiful new kitchen :)

Chef_dollmakernz, Jul 2, 8:04 pm

Camping now, eh? Are you cooking in the laundry or lounge?

Chef_buzzy110, Jul 3, 12:52 pm

Yep! - Dining room. Microwave, electric frypan, toasted sandwich maker, toaster and jug. Finding it veeerrrrry challenging.

Oh well, only three weeks until the benchtop goes in (argh!). The redec is done though and everything is looking amazing! (Except the dining room table lol).

Chef_cmw1983, Jul 3, 5:39 pm

You spelt wine wrong!
I would happily replicate Anna Olsons kitchen Food TV Sundays 4pm. She has pull out drawers solely for ingrediements - drawer of flour, drawer of sugar etc. And her ovens are 2 die for - probably only sensible if baking is your career but *sigh* anyway.
I renovated my kitchen last year - larger bench space, double oven, platter shelves. Love my favourite space even more.

Chef_jennie5963, Jul 5, 12:57 pm

So where can I find that wine tap, please? :-)

Getting a bit tired, I must admit. We've been without an oven and hob for just over 2 weeks and a few days to go yet. It's been okay until I started feeling a bit over it in the last day or two. We have a couple of friends who have spoiled us with meals, we've done ok with BBQ, a few meals out and creative thinking with minimal appliances but just over the last couple of days I've found myself really longing to cook something I can't. It will all be worth it though :-).

We are getting closer and omg am I loving the cabinets! The designer has done an amazing job and it's been fun shopping for spice inserts, drawer liners and dividers etc and figuring out where to put things and how it all works (far better than it did before).

Loving the drawers! Bench and appliances go in this week, flooring and backsplash a bit further away. We left flooring and backsplash decisions until we could see the cabinets in place against the new paint. A good decision, it just means a bit longer until we're finished - local tradies are pretty busy.

Chef_cmw1983, Jul 17, 10:09 pm

Me too. Camping can be trying at the best of times but camping in your own house over winter does have special challenges. For me it would be the challenge of working out how to produce slow cooked comfort food.

Chef_buzzy110, Jul 28, 2:06 pm