Pikelets at at cafes instead of pancakes,, bluurgh

Sounds like the cafe's cook, good and bad out there go elsewhere.

Chef_fifie, Mar 17, 2:16 pm

been quite a few places, not just there, & they're all cooking pancakes like pikelets, spongey mix that goes all soggy with the maple syrup & the rest is dry & hard to swallow

Chef_whqqsh, Mar 17, 3:06 pm

I guess it's good to have a cause to fight for. Why not just make your own if nothing measures up?

Chef_laspaz, Mar 17, 3:36 pm

Why would you want to put maple syrup on pancakes anyway? They should be very thin and not soak up anything. Cafes these days use hotcakes and like the USA call them pancakes. Perhaps you should try something else to eat or make your own.

Chef_kay141, Mar 17, 3:49 pm


if they are hotcakes then they should advertise 'hotcakes' & not 'pancakes'. If I saw hotcakes on the menu I wouldn't order them, I see pancakes & do. And why should I try something else, I like pancakes. I would have thought people in the food industry would at least know the difference.
Do you suggest someone that goes out for a steak dinner to be happy when served a plate of mince?. its beef after all isn't it?

Chef_whqqsh, Mar 17, 5:00 pm

Did you mean you want crepes. thin like. rather than the pikelet/pancake thing

Chef_petal1955, Mar 17, 5:05 pm

nope, pancake is about halfway between in thickness & not a sponge mix like pikelets/hotcakes. sheesh guys, is it that hard, especially a recipes forum? No wonder the industry doesn't get the basics right either.

Chef_whqqsh, Mar 17, 5:11 pm



By who's definition?

Just because kiwi's are confused about their terminology does not make it right.

You want crepes, not pancakes.

Chef_laspaz, Mar 17, 5:17 pm


Its not me thats confused, Ive been to the States, had real pancakes there, many cafes used to serve close-ish examples over here. but lately theres been a shift to a stack of 3 small pikelet types with a far more spongey mix that much goes go really soggy & fall apart with the maple syrup soaking up (like a sponge, funny that!) leaving the rest dry . again, if someone wants to serve hotcakes or pikelets then thats fine, but they ain't pancakes, at least learn the difference & advertise it as such

Chef_whqqsh, Mar 17, 5:37 pm

Yes but NZ does not do anything else properly in terms of international cuisine, so why start now, and why start with pancakes?

Most countries have their own variations on food. It's fairly normal.

Chef_laspaz, Mar 17, 5:43 pm


Even McDonalds knows the difference between hotcakes & pancakes. & as for variations, nah, its totally different & its not a variation when hotcakes & pikelets are already here, it's just wrong & just because some trend (or trendy chef or programme) decides thats what they want doesn't make it right either

Chef_whqqsh, Mar 17, 6:47 pm



So what is you plan going forward seen as you are so passionate about it? Hopefully you can put an end to this nonsense before someone's life is adversely effected in a significant way.

Chef_laspaz, Mar 17, 6:58 pm



Probably start more threads. I've only seen 2 so far but I don't go into all the categories.

Chef_kay141, Mar 17, 7:30 pm



I like how to OP linked this second thread to her first one to show us how serious she is about the situation. lol

Chef_laspaz, Mar 17, 7:36 pm



Quite possibly. Such a serious matter.

Chef_kay141, Mar 17, 7:40 pm

at least Im passionate & not a sheep prepared to just accept very basic errors & business owners seem to accept due to ignorance or simply the need to follow along & serve misnamed or substandard food as long as it looks trendy.

Chef_whqqsh, Mar 17, 9:41 pm

http://www.shakespearesengland.co.uk/2012/02/21/when-the-pancake-bell-rings-we-are-free/

Pancakes go way back in history, some even say that even before they became associated with feasting and fasting it was a pagan thing celebrating the turn of winter to warmer weather where the shape of the 'pancake' represented a sun shape.

Chef_sampa, Mar 17, 10:50 pm



They are something I would never order in a cafe nor would I assume business owners are ignorant but it's up to you. If you want, go for it.

Chef_kay141, Mar 18, 8:00 am

Also, to be fair, cafes and restaurants produce what people want. If they make a version of pancakes and they don't sell, they will delete or change it. This process usually results in the customers getting what they like, and what is popular.

You can't please everyone though, and some people should just stay home if the pancakes are not up to scratch everywhere. I'd start to wonder if I had the problem at a certain point. Just saying.

Chef_laspaz, Mar 18, 8:08 am

This country is becoming far to Americanised, sick of the food being renamed, spelling being bastardised etc,etc. Next we will see graffiti scrawled over the top of our scones.

Chef_cleggyboy, Mar 18, 9:33 am



American scones could kill a man if thrown the wrong way, but American biscuits (plain scones) are a thing of beauty.

Let's not be scared of improvements, and having the grace and wisdom to take on board the better parts of other countries while rejecting the bad aspects.

Chef_laspaz, Mar 18, 9:39 am



Exactly. Cafes are like all retailers, they stock what will sell. I'm sure we all have times, when we want to buy something which we can't find anywhere, I know I do.

Chef_kay141, Mar 18, 9:39 am

Good old sammie or a filled roll has gone to make way for all this fancy rubbish and at great expense, nah would rather go home, make my own and at least if I get Dehli belly I can only blame myself.

Chef_cleggyboy, Mar 18, 11:07 am

its all going the same way Im afraid, try ordering a 'medium' steak & watch as it bleeds all over your plate. & no, its not 'improvements' or local variations or 'twist' (stupid trendy term), its just some jumped up so called celeb chef does it on TV & everyone has to follow suit. Some things are just plain wrong & few people have the balls to say so

Chef_whqqsh, Mar 18, 11:26 am


Pancakes aren't crepes, crepes aren't pancakes - to most people pancakes are slightly thicker than crepes which should be almost lacy in appearance. Pancake batter is flour, milk, eggs and salt, crepes use flour, milk, water, eggs and salt. Pancakes are traditionally served rolled up with sugar and lemon on Shrove Tuesday, crepes are generally bigger in diameter and served with a variety of sweet or savoury fillings, folded into quarters.

Chef_sarahb5, Mar 18, 7:05 pm



Ooh Where can you get a steak like that? I've given up ordering steak when I eat out as they are always too well done. I like the blood coming out.

Chef_kay141, Mar 18, 7:34 pm


Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Chef_whqqsh, Mar 18, 8:38 pm


You are most welcome - now at least the two of us are on the same page maybe you should show your local cafe this thread

Chef_sarahb5, Mar 18, 9:12 pm



Yes, I bet they will be falling over themselves to change their menu for two people.

Why do you guys open a cafe and I will come and review it for the TMMB.

Chef_laspaz, Mar 18, 9:15 pm

I was thinking kiwi's have 3 types - crepes, pancakes and fat pancakes. Then sarahb5 put my thoughts into words, the fat pancakes are what you have with maple syrup. Pancakes have golden syrup.

Chef_angelah1, Mar 18, 9:17 pm


Care to share what you call pancakes then since you apparently are the TMMB oracle?

Chef_sarahb5, Mar 18, 9:24 pm


We have waffles with maple syrup here .

Chef_sarahb5, Mar 18, 9:25 pm



I call pancakes what everyone else does, except you and the OP. lol

Times are changing. You can get on board and embrace it, or cry about it on message boards.

Chef_laspaz, Mar 18, 9:28 pm


You are Dam right, there is a big difference.
Crepes are used for desserts , pan cakes, are served with sugar and lemon juice, or maple syrup , or even cream and jam.
Pikelets are a different size and mix again.

Chef_aj.2., Mar 18, 9:32 pm

I love going to a cafe and paying a very handsome price for Quality Baker's pancakes :(

Chef_hannibalcat, Mar 18, 9:33 pm

Pancakes are often frozen and just thrown in the microwave at cafes. (or hot cakes if you like).

I think we are seeing a difference of opinion here, based on age, and how it used to be done. I have never seen a cafe do old school pancakes. It may happen, but the smaller ones are the norm.

Chef_laspaz, Mar 18, 9:36 pm


Well I don't actually know what everyone else calls pancakes so it was a genuine question

Chef_sarahb5, Mar 18, 9:37 pm

Chef_sarahb5, Mar 18, 9:38 pm



Looks more like a crepe than a pancake to me.

Also British, so that may have something to do with it.

Chef_laspaz, Mar 18, 9:41 pm



a pancake - the middle of the 3 - crepes are thinner, fat pancakes are pikelet fat but pancake size

Chef_angelah1, Mar 18, 9:42 pm

My definition of a pancake would be what you see when you type "pancake" into Google and hit images.

I understand it's not how nana made them, but that is because we have found a better way. Taste far better to me when they soak in all that syrup and cream.

Chef_laspaz, Mar 18, 9:46 pm

These look exactly like the pancakes my mother used to make us in the 1960s and 70s, we would roll them up with lemon juice and sugar http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/MarieAlice/The%20English%20Kitchen2/pancake.jpg
I have an image of my mother cooking pancakes in the kitchen while the rest of the family sat at the table and ate them.

Chef_rebecca18, Mar 19, 5:19 pm

Yep with sugar & lemon juice OR sugar and cinnamon. Yummmm!

Chef_cleggyboy, Mar 19, 6:22 pm


Pan cakes there, Crepe are so much thinner, even to the point of almost having small holes in them, often used in flambé desserts.

Chef_aj.2., Mar 19, 6:26 pm


I did that and got images that show American style pancakes and images that show the same image as on my link to the pancake recipe I posted above. My nan made delicious thin pancakes served with sugar and lemon - not sure quite what you mean by a better way to cook them unless you mean that pancakes now are Americanised rather than Colonial-style. I never put syrup or cream on my pancakes but you clearly are the authority on all things pancakey so I must have been doing it wrong for the last 50+ years .

Chef_sarahb5, Mar 19, 6:50 pm

Chef_coralsnake, Mar 19, 10:30 pm

Chef_sarahb5, Mar 19, 10:33 pm

The Mad Butcher grocery dept at the corner of Ferry & Aldwins Rds in Christchurch stocks imported american products including both buttermilk and regular pancake mix.

Chef_coralsnake, Mar 19, 10:34 pm

I, like others was brought up on thin pancakes - which most would consider crepes.

Pikelets to us were what you would call crumpets.

Scotch Pancakes were smaller thicker version of an American pancake that Kiwis call pikelets.

English muffins use a pikelet/crumpet batter and US muffins are what most cafe's serve.

I know what I like, just call things what you want but it is up to the customer and seller to agree on what is being served!

Chef_socram, Dec 13, 8:43 pm

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